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As a result of the down turn in the economy, MIT looked inward to see how it could cut costs and save money as a result of the drop in the value of MIT’s endowment.  The MIT Institute-wide Planning Task Force looked at all aspects of MIT’s operations to look for ways to save money and reduce waste.  One of the aspects MIT identified was a then-$500,000 subsidy to house dining operations.  The task force charged Dean of Student Life Chris Colombo to investigate ways of eliminating that subsidy.  Dean Colombo created the House Dining Advisory Group (HDAG) to work on this issue.  However, in the charge Dean Colombo issued, cost saving had fallen to last on a list of issues to consider.  Instead of cost savings, values such as “service,” “quality,” “nutrition” and “variety” topped the Dean’s list of important issues.    What started as an exercise in cost cutting, quickly transformed into a service escalation.
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As a result of the down turn in the economy, MIT looked inward to see how it could cut costs and save money as a result of the drop in the value of MIT’s endowment.  The MIT Institute-wide Planning Task Force looked at all aspects of MIT’s operations to look for ways to save money and reduce waste.  One of the aspects MIT identified was a then-$500,000 subsidy to house dining operations.  The task force charged Dean of Student Life Chris Colombo to investigate ways of eliminating that subsidy.  Dean Colombo created the House Dining Advisory Group (HDAG) to work on this issue.  However, in the charge Dean Colombo issued, cost saving had fallen to last on a list of issues to consider.  Instead of cost savings, values such as “service,” “quality,” “nutrition” and “variety” topped the Dean’s list of important issues.    What started as an exercise in cost cutting quickly transformed into a service escalation.
  
It is clear that the plan HDAG created was not set up to cut costsIt more than doubles the number of meals served per week at MIT houses from 22 to 56 per week.  Meals served in house dining locations are inherently most costly than other locations on campus because of their isolated and internal focused nature.  HDAG correctly synthesized that most members of dorms with dining halls do not want their dining hall to close.  As the administration correctly points out, dining halls are an important place of community for each dorm.  I certainly have put off many P-Sets because I become involved in long conversations over dinner with other students who live in Baker, as well as the other dorms.   
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And it is clear that HDAG considered cost as its lowest priorityThe HDAG plan more than doubles the number of meals served per week at MIT houses from 22 to 56 per week.  Meals served in house dining locations are inherently most costly per person than other locations on campus because of their isolated and internal focused nature.  Don’t get me wrong, cost is not the sole factor in determining which meals to offer.  However cost must be balanced with value/quality and meet student demand.  HDAG correctly synthesized that most members of dorms with dining halls do not want their dining hall to close.  As the administration correctly points out, dining halls are an important place of community for each dorm.  I certainly have put off many P-Sets because I become involved in long conversations over dinner with other students who live in Baker, as well as the other dorms.  I think for many MIT students; the value of this community and conversations over dinner is worth the cost of running smaller house dining locations.  It is great that MIT gives students a choice whether to live in a dorm with dining or to cook for ones’ self.  Certainly for me, the dining hall provides me with nutritious food; without which I probably would not do as well at MIT.  Having it my own house makes it convenient during the evening.
  
I think for many MIT students; the value of this community and conversations over dinner is worth the cost of running smaller house dining locationsCertainly for me, the dining hall provides me with nutritious food; without which I probably would not do as well at MIT; it would certainly take more time.
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MIT certainly has the right to remove the subsidy from the house dining operations if it decides that the rest of campus should no longer subside house dining through their food purchasesBut if one does the math on this deficit, which has been reported to be as high as $640,000 , it only works out to $513 per student who lives a dorm with a dining hall.  These students currently spend $600 for a half-off “House Dining Membership,” which a 2007 study found that most Baker students lose money on.  If one was generous and assumed all students broke even on the plan that would lead to total sales of $600/year.  This adds up to a total cost of $1713/student/year under the current plan even without the subsidy.  When one compares this to the 7 breakfast/7 dinner plan which costs a projected $3,800, one is left with over half the cost of the plan accounting for the addition of breakfast or the change to all you care to eat (AYCE).
  
Now, MIT certainly has a right to remove the subsidy from the house dining operations if it decides that the rest of campus should no longer subside house dining through their food purchasesBut if you do the math on this deficit, which has been reported to be as high as $640,000 , it only works out to $513 per student who lives a dorm with a dining hall.   These students currently spend $600 for a half-off “House Dining Membership,” which a 2007 study found that most Baker students lose money on.   If one was generous and assumed all students broke even on the plan that would lead to total sales of $600/yearThis adds up to a total cost of $1713/student/year under the current plan without a subsidyWhen one compares this to the 7 breakfast/7 dinner plan which costs a projected $3,800, one is left with over half the cost of the plan accounting for the addition of breakfast or the change to all you care to eat (AYCE).
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Richard Berlin, director of Campus Dining, has claimed to me that AYCE has about the same cost as a la carte.  However, Mr. Berlin has not provided more than simple anecdotal evidence of the cost differences.  In the final HDAG report, the administration makes no mention of the cost of AYCE vs a la carte, despite their group being charged with evaluating costInstead, the administration touts AYCE for its power to make students drink 5 times more milk than before. 
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The most appalling part of the plan, however, is breakfast.  Most of the additional meals which will be served are due to the introduction of breakfast 7 days a week. Weekday breakfast would fall flat.  MIT students look to get up as late as possible.  They have no interest in waiting for a hot breakfast or sitting and eating while talking to their friends in the morning.  A cold grab-and-go breakfast would be marginally better.  However many students I have spoken to are also wary of this idea. The grab-and-go program would need to be staffed by at least one additional staff memberSince staff make up the majority of cost in almost every business, food service included, breakfast would cost significantly more than buying ingredients from Shaw’s, while being forced to offer a smaller selection.  MIT students are perfectly capable of visiting a grocery store once a week or less and buying a box of cereal and a gallon of milkRather than paying someone to pour out some cereal for us, we can pour our own in our rooms and eat it on the way to class.  If we assume that my calculations for the current cost of dinner even without the subsidy and the administration’s assertion that AYCE would cost the same, MIT students would be paying about $8 a day for this fancy cereal service whether they use it or not.
  
Richard Berlin, director of Campus Dining, has claimed to me that AYCE has about the same cost as a la carte.  However, Mr. Berlin has not provided more than simple anecdotal evidence of the cost differencesIn the final HDAG report, the administration makes no claims about the cost of AYCE vs a la carte.  Instead, the administration touts AYCE for its power to make students drink 5 times more milk than before.  For a committee that was supposed to be convened under the banner of cost minimization, evidence of the costs of AYCE were not even mentioned, leading me to assume that they were not considered.
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The addition of a brunch on weekends would also represent an expansion of the dining programHowever on the weekends I believe that many MIT students would be more willing to purchase a leisurely, hot breakfast brunch before starting a long day of P-Setting.
  
Where the plan really falls apart however is on breakfast.  Most of the additional meals I mentioned are due to the introduction of breakfast 7 days a weekWhile the addition of a brunch on weekends, would represent an expansion of the dining program, a leisurely, hot breakfast brunch, with the MIT community would be a good way to start a long day of P-SettingI believe that a significant majority of students would be willing to pay the additional cost for this.  However, weekday breakfast would fall flat.  MIT students are looking to get up as late as possible.  They have no interest in waiting for a hot breakfast or sitting and eating while talking to their friendsMarginally better would be a cold grab-and-go program.  However many students I have spoken to are also wary about this idea.  The grab-and-go program would need to be staffed by at least one additional staff member.  This would lead to higher costs than Shaw’s.  In addition, the selection that is offered would likely pale in comparison to a supermarket like Shaw’s.  MIT students are perfectly capable of visiting a grocery store once a week or less and buying a box of cereal and a gallon of milk.  Rather than paying someone to pour out some cereal for us, we can pour our own in our rooms and eat it on the way to class.
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The administration asserts in the final HDAG report that “The Institute has an obligation to ensure that breakfast is available. However, in this bad economy, we simply cannot afford expanding services.  I am against any expansion of cost in the system, but I am appalled by the blatant disregard for demand for the breakfast componentMIT should focus on getting rid of the dining deficit if need be, but refrain doubling the service in these lean timesAnother argument made by the administration is that adding breakfast would spread the fixed costs of operating the house dining program over more meals.  However, as any economist will tell you those costs are sunk, and thus should not factor into your decision to spend more moneyInstead we must look solely at the marginal cost of adding breakfast/
  
If we assume that my calculations for the current cost of dinner without the subsidy, and the administration’s assertion that AYCE costs the same, we would be paying about $8 for this fancy cereal service.
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MIT’s stance to improve service at the expense of cost only furthers the cost spiral of higher education in the US.  Colleges’ total cost of attendance have been growing at double the rate of inflation for many years – not due to increased instruction, but the exploding costs of student life and related programs.  By not adding a service most students do not want, MIT will help hold the line on the escalating costs of higher education in the US.  Because students have been historically able to meet rising costs through loans and scholarships, colleges have been free to ever try to outdo the competition with plusher student life programs.
  
In this bad economy, we can’t afford this expansion of servicesMIT should focus on getting rid of the dining deficit if need be, but refrain from adding a costly expansion of service.   
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Even though we, the actual students are not the ones actually paying the bills, many of us are extremely cost consciousWe recognize that using our scarce financial aid resources takes them away from other places; especially the increase in enrollment this year.  For those without financial aid, $50,000+ is a LOT of money.  Adding to it, even a little amount, hurts.  We do not want to dig ourselves further into a debt hole to enjoy a plusher service than we have nowIn fact in the 2009 Envision Strategies Blue Ribbon Commission report, students overwhelmingly stated that they cooked for themselves because it was cheaper.
  
MIT’s stance to improve service at the expense of cost only furthers the cost spiral of higher education in the USCollege’s total cost of attendance have been growing at double the rate of inflation for many years – not due to increased instruction, but the exploding costs of student life and related programs.  By not adding a service most students do not want, MIT will help hold the line on the escalating costs of higher education in the USEven covering the added cost with additional financial aid would be a poor use of scarce resourcesBecause students have been historically able to meet rising costs through loans and scholarships, colleges have been free to ever try to outdo the competition with plusher student life programs.   
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However the administration is unwilling to reevaluate serving breakfastI made a deal to Dean of Student Life Chris Colombo to set a performance target on the use of breakfastBy the administration’s logic, breakfast, especially breakfast you have already paid for, will be picked up by a lot of studentsOn the other hand, many of the students I talked to have no interest in breakfast, especially considering they would have to pay about $8 for it, every day, whether they buy it or not.  Dean Colombo and the rest of the administration on HDAG had no patients for my idea, even though it involved conceding every issue to the administration, at least to try for one semester.  They told me that they could not evaluate the success of breakfast even after an entire semesterInstead they would be willing to wait years for breakfast to “take”.
  
As a member of the RFP committee, I look forward to reading actual vendor proposals and evaluating the actual cost of service.  However, I am just scared we will be paying for a service which no one will use and no one wants to afford.
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As a member of the RFP committee, I look forward to reading actual vendor proposals and evaluating the actual cost of service.  I sincerely hope that a proposal with sufficient quality comes in at a lower cost.  However, I am just scared we will be paying for a service which no one will use and no one wants to afford.  We must guard against spiraling costs to increase quality.  Despite the potential health benefits of breakfast, I urge MIT to stand with majority of students affected by this change and reject the additional cost of breakfast.
 
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I made a deal to Dean of Student Life Chris Colombo to set a performance target on the use of breakfastBy the administration’s logic, breakfast, especially breakfast you have already paid for, will be picked up by a lot of students.  On the other hand, many of the students I talked to have no interest in breakfast, especially considering they would have to pay about $8 for it, every day, if they buy it or not.  Dean Colombo and the rest of the administration on HDAG had no patients for my idea, even though it involved conceding every issue to the administration, at least to try for one semester.  They told me that they could not evaluate the success of breakfast even after an entire semester.  Instead they would be willing to wait years for breakfast to “take”.
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Even though we, the actual students are not the ones actually paying the bills, many of us are extremely cost conscious.  We recognize that using our scarce financial aid resources takes them away from other places; especially the increase in enrollment this yearFor those without financial aid, $50,000+ is a LOT of money.  Adding to it, even a little amount, hurts.  We do not want to dig ourselves further into a debt hole to enjoy a plusher service than we have now.  In fact in the 2009 Envision Strategies Blue Ribbon Commission report, students overwhelmingly stated that they cooked for themselves because it was cheaper. 
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Despite the potential health benefits of breakfast, I urge MIT to stand with majority of students affected by this change and reject the additional cost of breakfast.
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It is true that many costs are fixed, and one of the best ways to cover these fixed costs is to
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Don’t want to argue keeping houses open loses $$
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Is the community worth it?
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Could say yes  for dinner, but no for breakfast – this might be best
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But how say would lose any more $$??
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Should I get into AYCE at all???
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Revision as of 22:26, 14 October 2010

As a result of the down turn in the economy, MIT looked inward to see how it could cut costs and save money as a result of the drop in the value of MIT’s endowment. The MIT Institute-wide Planning Task Force looked at all aspects of MIT’s operations to look for ways to save money and reduce waste. One of the aspects MIT identified was a then-$500,000 subsidy to house dining operations. The task force charged Dean of Student Life Chris Colombo to investigate ways of eliminating that subsidy. Dean Colombo created the House Dining Advisory Group (HDAG) to work on this issue. However, in the charge Dean Colombo issued, cost saving had fallen to last on a list of issues to consider. Instead of cost savings, values such as “service,” “quality,” “nutrition” and “variety” topped the Dean’s list of important issues. What started as an exercise in cost cutting quickly transformed into a service escalation.

And it is clear that HDAG considered cost as its lowest priority. The HDAG plan more than doubles the number of meals served per week at MIT houses from 22 to 56 per week. Meals served in house dining locations are inherently most costly per person than other locations on campus because of their isolated and internal focused nature. Don’t get me wrong, cost is not the sole factor in determining which meals to offer. However cost must be balanced with value/quality and meet student demand. HDAG correctly synthesized that most members of dorms with dining halls do not want their dining hall to close. As the administration correctly points out, dining halls are an important place of community for each dorm. I certainly have put off many P-Sets because I become involved in long conversations over dinner with other students who live in Baker, as well as the other dorms. I think for many MIT students; the value of this community and conversations over dinner is worth the cost of running smaller house dining locations. It is great that MIT gives students a choice whether to live in a dorm with dining or to cook for ones’ self. Certainly for me, the dining hall provides me with nutritious food; without which I probably would not do as well at MIT. Having it my own house makes it convenient during the evening.

MIT certainly has the right to remove the subsidy from the house dining operations if it decides that the rest of campus should no longer subside house dining through their food purchases. But if one does the math on this deficit, which has been reported to be as high as $640,000 , it only works out to $513 per student who lives a dorm with a dining hall. These students currently spend $600 for a half-off “House Dining Membership,” which a 2007 study found that most Baker students lose money on. If one was generous and assumed all students broke even on the plan that would lead to total sales of $600/year. This adds up to a total cost of $1713/student/year under the current plan even without the subsidy. When one compares this to the 7 breakfast/7 dinner plan which costs a projected $3,800, one is left with over half the cost of the plan accounting for the addition of breakfast or the change to all you care to eat (AYCE).

Richard Berlin, director of Campus Dining, has claimed to me that AYCE has about the same cost as a la carte. However, Mr. Berlin has not provided more than simple anecdotal evidence of the cost differences. In the final HDAG report, the administration makes no mention of the cost of AYCE vs a la carte, despite their group being charged with evaluating cost. Instead, the administration touts AYCE for its power to make students drink 5 times more milk than before. The most appalling part of the plan, however, is breakfast. Most of the additional meals which will be served are due to the introduction of breakfast 7 days a week. Weekday breakfast would fall flat. MIT students look to get up as late as possible. They have no interest in waiting for a hot breakfast or sitting and eating while talking to their friends in the morning. A cold grab-and-go breakfast would be marginally better. However many students I have spoken to are also wary of this idea. The grab-and-go program would need to be staffed by at least one additional staff member. Since staff make up the majority of cost in almost every business, food service included, breakfast would cost significantly more than buying ingredients from Shaw’s, while being forced to offer a smaller selection. MIT students are perfectly capable of visiting a grocery store once a week or less and buying a box of cereal and a gallon of milk. Rather than paying someone to pour out some cereal for us, we can pour our own in our rooms and eat it on the way to class. If we assume that my calculations for the current cost of dinner even without the subsidy and the administration’s assertion that AYCE would cost the same, MIT students would be paying about $8 a day for this fancy cereal service whether they use it or not.

The addition of a brunch on weekends would also represent an expansion of the dining program. However on the weekends I believe that many MIT students would be more willing to purchase a leisurely, hot breakfast brunch before starting a long day of P-Setting.

The administration asserts in the final HDAG report that “The Institute has an obligation to ensure that breakfast is available.” However, in this bad economy, we simply cannot afford expanding services. I am against any expansion of cost in the system, but I am appalled by the blatant disregard for demand for the breakfast component. MIT should focus on getting rid of the dining deficit if need be, but refrain doubling the service in these lean times. Another argument made by the administration is that adding breakfast would spread the fixed costs of operating the house dining program over more meals. However, as any economist will tell you those costs are sunk, and thus should not factor into your decision to spend more money. Instead we must look solely at the marginal cost of adding breakfast/

MIT’s stance to improve service at the expense of cost only furthers the cost spiral of higher education in the US. Colleges’ total cost of attendance have been growing at double the rate of inflation for many years – not due to increased instruction, but the exploding costs of student life and related programs. By not adding a service most students do not want, MIT will help hold the line on the escalating costs of higher education in the US. Because students have been historically able to meet rising costs through loans and scholarships, colleges have been free to ever try to outdo the competition with plusher student life programs.

Even though we, the actual students are not the ones actually paying the bills, many of us are extremely cost conscious. We recognize that using our scarce financial aid resources takes them away from other places; especially the increase in enrollment this year. For those without financial aid, $50,000+ is a LOT of money. Adding to it, even a little amount, hurts. We do not want to dig ourselves further into a debt hole to enjoy a plusher service than we have now. In fact in the 2009 Envision Strategies Blue Ribbon Commission report, students overwhelmingly stated that they cooked for themselves because it was cheaper.

However the administration is unwilling to reevaluate serving breakfast. I made a deal to Dean of Student Life Chris Colombo to set a performance target on the use of breakfast. By the administration’s logic, breakfast, especially breakfast you have already paid for, will be picked up by a lot of students. On the other hand, many of the students I talked to have no interest in breakfast, especially considering they would have to pay about $8 for it, every day, whether they buy it or not. Dean Colombo and the rest of the administration on HDAG had no patients for my idea, even though it involved conceding every issue to the administration, at least to try for one semester. They told me that they could not evaluate the success of breakfast even after an entire semester. Instead they would be willing to wait years for breakfast to “take”.

As a member of the RFP committee, I look forward to reading actual vendor proposals and evaluating the actual cost of service. I sincerely hope that a proposal with sufficient quality comes in at a lower cost. However, I am just scared we will be paying for a service which no one will use and no one wants to afford. We must guard against spiraling costs to increase quality. Despite the potential health benefits of breakfast, I urge MIT to stand with majority of students affected by this change and reject the additional cost of breakfast.